The passage of a near total abortion ban in Arizona is a horror for women and women's reproductive health—and will be a battle cry for change in November
This situation will drive or should, ALL women to vote out R’s up AND down the ballot. In Dobbs, Alito opined women have electoral power. R’s WILL find out.
Women are not stupid; enough with R’s ‘cruelty is the point’ politics. The R’s are like the dog who caught the car, now they’re doing a deserved electoral ‘Thelma & Louise’ with the car. Choice in November is clear: Biden or Dictatorship!
As horrific as Republican legislators are, both federal and state, it seems the judicial ones are worse. They act with impunity. I regret what the women of Arizona will have to endure for the next six months, but in November republicans in Arizona will learn that actions have consequences. In the meantime they need to remember what the likes of Kari Lake has said in the past, not what she’s saying now. Remember what trump has said in the past, “there needs to be some kind of punishment.”
To quote a post from a friend on Facebook, Roevember!
I hope you’re right…that enough voters will turn out to balance the scales…geez. I am more worried about the antipathy voters have toward Biden that will cause them to select Trump even though they despise the man….very worried.
I saw an interview of John Bolton by Nicole Wallace. The man spent the entire time explaining how incompetent and unfit Trump was and is, but when asked if he would vote for Biden, he said he would “write someone in”. Whaaaa? I think this is proof positive that Republicans will have a very hard time voting for anyone but Trump because they want to keep up appearances and pretend that the Republican Party is still viable, thereby convincing the general public to hold their noses and vote for Trump as if he were an actual Republican candidate instead of a fascist.
The whole age issue concerning Biden is also just an excuse by Anti-Trump Republicans not to vote for him. I am convinced that even if we had a younger candidate it would not matter, because anti-Trump Republicans and Independents would just find some other excuse not to vote for the democrat.
These are such perilous times. No amount of negative campaign ads will change minds already made up. I’d love to know what will. We may all pay the price for the overtaking of our democracy by the Putin wing of the Republican Party.
The saying "hoist with their own petard" comes to mind. These far right religious extremists are so giddy with their newfound power to strip women of their rights (thanks to Clarence, Amy and Brett) that they are mindlessly gorging on imposing their draconian agenda. They can practically see Gilead from here and are blinded to the fact that it is about to all blow up in their face.
It comes to mind that we are still living under a Constitution,the supreme law of the land, passed in 1789,a time of using leeches - also used in late 1800s +in rare cases today. Some Republican politician recently said women should not have the right to vote. That straight from the past. Then there is moron Charlie Kirk who says young women use birth control, have no children, reach their 30s when they are past their prime and unattractive, thus, making them angry and bitter. So birth control should be banned.
I don't know why, mostly men, have it in for women.We have it hard enough without laws trying to control our bodies. Fortunately, the founding fathers allowed ways to change the law as times change.
I don't believe for one minute that trump would allow any abortions, liar that he is.
Allowing women to die, sending doctors to prison -also librarians, by the way. When will it end?
The bans on abortion are emblematic, because behind them there is half the US population that is fed up with white males exercising control over our bodies and our lives. I'm damn tired of it.
"Leaving it up to the states" is arbitrary, allowing for a change in the governorship to determine our right to decide whether to have a baby, and by extension, our futures and whether we live or die.
Most Americans finally understand the implications. I'm hoping this bites the GOP in the ass, and HARD.
The silver lining that I see in the AZ disaster is that it might, hopefully will, bring the abortion issue to the forefront for the Dems and make people see how the far right is relying on a decision from 1864, when women didn't even have the right to vote, to decide women's healthcare today. When I see 45 bragging that he put the 3 justices on SCOTUS that overturned Roe v Wade, I start to feel so depressed. So, it is welcoming to see this post from @StevenBeschloss to calm me down and be my political therapist in these very trying times. Of course, 45 has given many different opinions on the abortion issue over the years, even in the pat week: do states decide or is it 15 weeks, or is it 6 weeks, and is there an exception for the life of the mother. In any case, the AZ ruling make it clear that AZ doesn't care about women's health, or frankly that they don't even care about women. Hopefully this message will be repeated by the Dems loudly and often; and hopefully this swing state will swing blue in 2024 and give the presidency to President Biden again, because he cares for all people, women and men, and heterosexuals and gay and lesbian, and transgender and black and brown and immigrants and the people that were born here. We have to be loud and clean and we have to repeat the AZ message often. That message is bad for America. President Biden is good for America. Vote Biden in November. God Bless America🇺🇸
This serves as a reminder that despite Democratic gains, the odor of previous elections of conservative justices remains, old men out of step with the reality of today. In that some 60 percent of voters support abortion rights, this court’s ruling should be rendered moot. Arizona voters should continue to vote for representatives who follow the constitution rather than their religious convictions.
Hopefully this story will remain as a thorn in Trump’s considerable backside and convince voters that Kari Lake’s two-faced reaction is smoke and mirrors.
Steven, this Draconian law should not only motivate women but the men who value the lives of the women they love. This is a wake-up call for everyone who may have erroneously thought that since they aren’t a female, it doesn’t affect them. It will in some of the most unexpected ways so they too had better get to work for women’s rights in AZ and everywhere else they can lend a voice.
Are they going to also resurrect the rest of Arizona Territorial Laws? The age of consent appears to have been 10 yrs old —
SEC. 47, Rape is the carnal knowledge of a female, forcibly and against her will. · Every person of the age of fourteen years and upwards, who shall have carnal knowledge of any female child under the age of ten years: either with or without her consent, shall be adjudged to be guilty of the· crime of rape, and shall be punished by imprisonment in the Territorial prison.”
No wonder a woman commented that next there would be vigil antes —
SEC. 130. Every male person above eighteen years of age who shall neglect or refuse to join the "posse comitatus" or power of the county, by neglecting or refusing to aid and assist in taking or arresting any person Ot' persons against whom there may be issued. any process, or by neglecting to aiq and assist in retaking any person or persons, who, after being arrested or confined, may have escaped from such arrest or imprisonment, or by neglecting or. refusing to aid and assist in preventing any ·breach of the peace, or the commission of any criminal offence, being thereto· lawfully required by any sheriff deputy, the coroner, constable, judge, or justice male person above eighteen years of age who shall neglect or refuse to join the "posse comitatus" or power of the county, by neglecting or refusing to aid and assist in taking or arresting any person or persons against whom there may be issued. any process, or by neglecting to aiq and assist in retaking any person or persons, who, after being arrested or confined, may have escaped from such arrest or imprisonment, or by neglecting or. refusing to aid and assist in preventing any ·breach of the peace, or the commission of any criminal offence, …., shall,. upon conviction, be fined, in any. sum not less. than fifty dollars nor more than one thousand dollars ..
Thank you Steven!
This situation will drive or should, ALL women to vote out R’s up AND down the ballot. In Dobbs, Alito opined women have electoral power. R’s WILL find out.
Women are not stupid; enough with R’s ‘cruelty is the point’ politics. The R’s are like the dog who caught the car, now they’re doing a deserved electoral ‘Thelma & Louise’ with the car. Choice in November is clear: Biden or Dictatorship!
As horrific as Republican legislators are, both federal and state, it seems the judicial ones are worse. They act with impunity. I regret what the women of Arizona will have to endure for the next six months, but in November republicans in Arizona will learn that actions have consequences. In the meantime they need to remember what the likes of Kari Lake has said in the past, not what she’s saying now. Remember what trump has said in the past, “there needs to be some kind of punishment.”
To quote a post from a friend on Facebook, Roevember!
I hope you’re right…that enough voters will turn out to balance the scales…geez. I am more worried about the antipathy voters have toward Biden that will cause them to select Trump even though they despise the man….very worried.
I saw an interview of John Bolton by Nicole Wallace. The man spent the entire time explaining how incompetent and unfit Trump was and is, but when asked if he would vote for Biden, he said he would “write someone in”. Whaaaa? I think this is proof positive that Republicans will have a very hard time voting for anyone but Trump because they want to keep up appearances and pretend that the Republican Party is still viable, thereby convincing the general public to hold their noses and vote for Trump as if he were an actual Republican candidate instead of a fascist.
The whole age issue concerning Biden is also just an excuse by Anti-Trump Republicans not to vote for him. I am convinced that even if we had a younger candidate it would not matter, because anti-Trump Republicans and Independents would just find some other excuse not to vote for the democrat.
These are such perilous times. No amount of negative campaign ads will change minds already made up. I’d love to know what will. We may all pay the price for the overtaking of our democracy by the Putin wing of the Republican Party.
The saying "hoist with their own petard" comes to mind. These far right religious extremists are so giddy with their newfound power to strip women of their rights (thanks to Clarence, Amy and Brett) that they are mindlessly gorging on imposing their draconian agenda. They can practically see Gilead from here and are blinded to the fact that it is about to all blow up in their face.
It comes to mind that we are still living under a Constitution,the supreme law of the land, passed in 1789,a time of using leeches - also used in late 1800s +in rare cases today. Some Republican politician recently said women should not have the right to vote. That straight from the past. Then there is moron Charlie Kirk who says young women use birth control, have no children, reach their 30s when they are past their prime and unattractive, thus, making them angry and bitter. So birth control should be banned.
I don't know why, mostly men, have it in for women.We have it hard enough without laws trying to control our bodies. Fortunately, the founding fathers allowed ways to change the law as times change.
I don't believe for one minute that trump would allow any abortions, liar that he is.
Allowing women to die, sending doctors to prison -also librarians, by the way. When will it end?
The bans on abortion are emblematic, because behind them there is half the US population that is fed up with white males exercising control over our bodies and our lives. I'm damn tired of it.
"Leaving it up to the states" is arbitrary, allowing for a change in the governorship to determine our right to decide whether to have a baby, and by extension, our futures and whether we live or die.
Most Americans finally understand the implications. I'm hoping this bites the GOP in the ass, and HARD.
If these ever-escalating idiocies don’t motivate voters to the polls, we are doomed.
The silver lining that I see in the AZ disaster is that it might, hopefully will, bring the abortion issue to the forefront for the Dems and make people see how the far right is relying on a decision from 1864, when women didn't even have the right to vote, to decide women's healthcare today. When I see 45 bragging that he put the 3 justices on SCOTUS that overturned Roe v Wade, I start to feel so depressed. So, it is welcoming to see this post from @StevenBeschloss to calm me down and be my political therapist in these very trying times. Of course, 45 has given many different opinions on the abortion issue over the years, even in the pat week: do states decide or is it 15 weeks, or is it 6 weeks, and is there an exception for the life of the mother. In any case, the AZ ruling make it clear that AZ doesn't care about women's health, or frankly that they don't even care about women. Hopefully this message will be repeated by the Dems loudly and often; and hopefully this swing state will swing blue in 2024 and give the presidency to President Biden again, because he cares for all people, women and men, and heterosexuals and gay and lesbian, and transgender and black and brown and immigrants and the people that were born here. We have to be loud and clean and we have to repeat the AZ message often. That message is bad for America. President Biden is good for America. Vote Biden in November. God Bless America🇺🇸
Such a juicy column today. Thank you.
This serves as a reminder that despite Democratic gains, the odor of previous elections of conservative justices remains, old men out of step with the reality of today. In that some 60 percent of voters support abortion rights, this court’s ruling should be rendered moot. Arizona voters should continue to vote for representatives who follow the constitution rather than their religious convictions.
Hopefully this story will remain as a thorn in Trump’s considerable backside and convince voters that Kari Lake’s two-faced reaction is smoke and mirrors.
Steven, this Draconian law should not only motivate women but the men who value the lives of the women they love. This is a wake-up call for everyone who may have erroneously thought that since they aren’t a female, it doesn’t affect them. It will in some of the most unexpected ways so they too had better get to work for women’s rights in AZ and everywhere else they can lend a voice.
This just adds to the incentive for Blue voters to get to the polls.
This is all you need to know about the 1864 law on abortion - the author: https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/4/11/2234630/-You-ll-Be-Shocked-to-Learn-Author-of-1964-Arizona-Law-Banning-Abortion-Was-Pedophile
Are they going to also resurrect the rest of Arizona Territorial Laws? The age of consent appears to have been 10 yrs old —
SEC. 47, Rape is the carnal knowledge of a female, forcibly and against her will. · Every person of the age of fourteen years and upwards, who shall have carnal knowledge of any female child under the age of ten years: either with or without her consent, shall be adjudged to be guilty of the· crime of rape, and shall be punished by imprisonment in the Territorial prison.”
No wonder a woman commented that next there would be vigil antes —
SEC. 130. Every male person above eighteen years of age who shall neglect or refuse to join the "posse comitatus" or power of the county, by neglecting or refusing to aid and assist in taking or arresting any person Ot' persons against whom there may be issued. any process, or by neglecting to aiq and assist in retaking any person or persons, who, after being arrested or confined, may have escaped from such arrest or imprisonment, or by neglecting or. refusing to aid and assist in preventing any ·breach of the peace, or the commission of any criminal offence, being thereto· lawfully required by any sheriff deputy, the coroner, constable, judge, or justice male person above eighteen years of age who shall neglect or refuse to join the "posse comitatus" or power of the county, by neglecting or refusing to aid and assist in taking or arresting any person or persons against whom there may be issued. any process, or by neglecting to aiq and assist in retaking any person or persons, who, after being arrested or confined, may have escaped from such arrest or imprisonment, or by neglecting or. refusing to aid and assist in preventing any ·breach of the peace, or the commission of any criminal offence, …., shall,. upon conviction, be fined, in any. sum not less. than fifty dollars nor more than one thousand dollars ..